Dr. Kelsey Leonard on Phil Loring's The Second Transition Podcast

In the latest episode of The Second Transition Podccast, Phil Loring speaks with Dr. Kelsey Leonard, a water scientist, legal scholar, policy expert, writer, and enrolled citizen of the Shinnecock Nation. They explore the imperative to acknowledge personhood for water, and how this goes part and parcel to democratizing water governance. They also hear briefly from Dr. Farhana Sultana of Syracuse University, about water justice and galvanizing water warriors. You can follow Dr. Leonard on Twitter @KelseyTLeonard. You can also follow Dr. Sultana on Twitter @Prof_FSultana.  

Listen to the episode here or on most major podcasting platforms!

About the Podcast

How might our strategies for solving the world’s biggest problems change if we knew that radical, system-wide change was already underway? And, how expansive and creative might our visions for the future be if we knew that we face not just one, but two major societal transitions?

The first transition is coping with the challenges we face. It is course correction: the emergency-room medicine needed to halt ongoing crises and intiate systemic change so that we can truly address issues like climate change, poverty, and biodiversity loss. The second transition is what comes next, once we’ve moved out of crisis. It is not our future, but our children’s children’s future.

In this podcast, anthropologist and award-winning science communicator Phil Loring will talk with experts, activists, and visionaries from around the world and ask, “What might a radically changed future entail? What steps can we take right now to change course and make such a future possible?”

Watch the teaser for the first season below!